0/T If you're proud to be an American,Aussie Brit,Canadian

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0/T If you're proud to be an American,Aussie Brit,Canadian

Post by Chrisg » December 22nd, 2014, 8:01 am

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If you're proud to be an American,Aussie Brit, or Canadian pass it on

Once upon a time when your leaders didn't tend to apologize for your country's prior actions,
here's a refresher on how some of your former patriots handled negative comments about your countries.


These are good





JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when
DeGaulle decided to pull out of NATO. DeGaulle said he wanted all US
military out of France as soon as possible.
Rusk responded, "Does that include those who are buried here?"
DeGaulle did not respond.

You
could have heard a pin drop.







When in England ,at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the
Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of
'empire building' by George Bush.
He answered by saying,

"Over the years, the United States has sent many of
its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom
beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for
in return is enough to bury those that did not
return."
You
could have heard a pin drop.
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There was a conference in France

where a number of international engineers
were taking part, including French and American. During a break,
one of the French engineers came back into the room saying, "Have you
heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft
carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he
intend to do, bomb them?"

A Boeing engineer

stood up and replied quietly: "Our carriers have three
hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are
nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to
shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to
feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand
gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a
dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and
from their flight deck. We have eleven such ships;
how many does France have?"
You
could have heard a pin drop.
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A U..S. Navy Admiral

was attending a naval conference that included
Admirals from the U.S., English, Canadian, Australian and French
Navies At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large
group of officers that included personnel from most of those countries..
Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a
French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many
languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked, "Why is it that
we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than
speaking French?"

Without hesitating,

the American Admiral replied, "Maybe it's because the
Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't
have to speak German."
You
could have heard a pin drop.

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AND
THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE...

Robert Whiting,

an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane.
At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport
in his carry on.

"You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked
sarcastically.
Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously.

"Then you should know enough to have your passport ready."

The American said, "The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it."

"Impossible.. Americans always have to show their passports on arrival in France !"

The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he
quietly explained, ''Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in
1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen
to show a passport to."

You could have heard a pin drop.

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If
you are proud to be an American, pass this on! If not, delete it.

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Post by rcarroll » December 28th, 2014, 4:40 am

Ah... America, the home of the brave and the land of the free.

I went to France once and the immigration guy asked for my passport and I showed it to him. Why?... because I had mine ready. Why? ... because thats the first thing you do when you arrive in another country, even in the good old U S of A.

I didn't think it was relevant to use the old WWI and WWII we saved your arse routine particularly when it was much easier to be prepared.

Am I proud to be an Australian? Yes!

Am I a patriot? Probably not.

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Post by TruckerRon » December 28th, 2014, 10:20 am

In my mind patriots are folks who are perfectly aware of their country's faults as well as its virtues, who try to correct the faults and add to the virtues, and choose to love and support their country. Those who focus only on the faults and strives to tear down their country are not patriots.
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Post by dick » December 28th, 2014, 10:58 am

Then it is not clear to me if one would consider a participant in the American Revolutionary War a patriot. And onto more current matters, what exactly describes the 25 year old National Guard member who was forced to leave his home and family to shoot at some people in Afghanistan? A "patriot" or just some unlucky schmuck serving his country at his country's request?

Just kidding. I always stand at baseball games and sing along with the National Anthem.

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Post by TruckerRon » December 28th, 2014, 2:49 pm

dick wrote:Then it is not clear to me if one would consider a participant in the American Revolutionary War a patriot. And onto more current matters, what exactly describes the 25 year old National Guard member who was forced to leave his home and family to shoot at some people in Afghanistan? A "patriot" or just some unlucky schmuck serving his country at his country's request?

Just kidding. I always stand at baseball games and sing along with the National Anthem.
Regarding the American Revolution: Read the Declaration of Independence. The colonists had been abused by George III and his representatives; there are 27 specific grievances listed which you can find in the history books. The colonists felt as justified in breaking their bonds to the throne as an abused child does in seeking emancipation from his parents.

As for that National Guard member... wasn't he a volunteer who took an oath and signed up for the job?
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Post by mrag » December 28th, 2014, 3:54 pm

Ah Ron, maybe it's the air in Utah. Perhaps we should look a little closer at the Revolutionary War. If we did, we'd find only one third (1 in 3) actually supported that war. That would suggest 2 out of 3 "Americans" then didn't want a war. But as the saying goes, the winners get to write the history books. So who were the "patriots?" The ones supporting their home country, England or the minority starting such a fight and dragging everyone else in?

The National Guard member took an oath to show up one weekend a month, drink some beer and if dumb enough to live in a place like Louisiana, sometimes to help out during flood season. I don't think you would find many members that ever wanted to put on camo suits and shoot stray Afghans who were shooting back at them in a misguided and insane effort to protect America from 'terrorists.' We won't go into violating just about every treaty in the world regarding the torture business. Go patriots!
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Post by TruckerRon » December 28th, 2014, 8:15 pm

mrag wrote:Ah Ron, maybe it's the air in Utah. Perhaps we should look a little closer at the Revolutionary War. If we did, we'd find only one third (1 in 3) actually supported that war. That would suggest 2 out of 3 "Americans" then didn't want a war. But as the saying goes, the winners get to write the history books. So who were the "patriots?" The ones supporting their home country, England or the minority starting such a fight and dragging everyone else in?

The National Guard member took an oath to show up one weekend a month, drink some beer and if dumb enough to live in a place like Louisiana, sometimes to help out during flood season. I don't think you would find many members that ever wanted to put on camo suits and shoot stray Afghans who were shooting back at them in a misguided and insane effort to protect America from 'terrorists.' We won't go into violating just about every treaty in the world regarding the torture business. Go patriots!
Believe what you will regarding who supported the Revolution. The fact is history books were, once upon a time, written by the winners. Today they're being rewritten, not by the Ministry of Truth à la 1984, but by leftist college professors. The fact remains that at least a third of Americans supported the war at its beginning, many more supported it retroactively after it was won.

As for those signing up for the Guard did so knowing they could be called up for active duty whenever the power that be deemed it time. As for violating treaties regarding torture, the truth is those treaties have been broken by almost every country that signed them.
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Post by Jim and Sparky » December 28th, 2014, 9:32 pm

I hereby make a motion that this thread be completely deleted from this forum. My reason is that the subject is so far off topic and potentially divisive to not be worthy of any further discussion. In my opinion, bashing people from detain countries or trumpeting the perceived merits and accomplishments of other countries is inappropriate considering the purposes for which this forum is designed.

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Post by mrag » December 28th, 2014, 9:59 pm

OK Jim, we'll drop any further replies in this thread. But bear in mind Ron and I have been bantering back and forth on just about everything for like the last five years and sometimes he even brings out a good point to consider. And if this place gets restricted to simply ICD related areas, I suspect you'll see membership, sign ups and participation take further drops which I don't believe any of us want.

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Post by TruckerRon » December 28th, 2014, 10:31 pm

OK, no more squabbling in front of the kiddies.
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Post by Mary Kay » December 28th, 2014, 10:36 pm

safetocomeout Just going to ask a question here. This is for you historians; was it the Torres who wanted to stay with the King? Did those who wanted to stay with the King like the idea of the power structure?
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Post by TruckerRon » December 28th, 2014, 11:36 pm

Mary Kay wrote:safetocomeout Just going to ask a question here. This is for you historians; was it the Torres who wanted to stay with the King? Did those who wanted to stay with the King like the idea of the power structure?
You can read about the Tories, aka Loyalists, at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalist_% ... olution%29
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